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You can take way-out-of-your-way stopovers on United awards that cause you to massively backtrack and add tons of increased flying to awards.
For instance, you can fly from New York to London via Los Angeles for no extra miles even though routing through Los Angeles is about two-and-a-half-times more flying than flying a direct flight.
This laxity toward massive backtracking has some great uses.
- You can back track for a free oneway.
- If the only routing with award space involves backtracking, you can fly it.
- You can have an out-of-the-way stopover to combine two trips into one.
- If you and a traveling companion are starting in different cities, you can fly to him to meet up even if he’s farther from the destination than you are.
When are backtracks possible on United awards? When are they impossible?
I’ve uncovered possible backtracks en route to Asia, Europe, and South America from the continental US.
My successful backtracks have all been within the continental US. I failed to add backtracks to and from Hawaii.
All the awards below were (dummy) booked as laid out in this video on booking United awards with stopovers.
Backtrack on the Way to Europe
This award priced out as 60,000 miles in economy, the normal price for a roundtrip from the US to Europe:
- New York to London via Los Angeles
- Frankfurt to New York
Backtrack on the Way to Asia
This award priced out as 65,000 miles in economy, the normal roundtrip price from the US to Japan:
- Los Angeles to Tokyo via New York
- Tokyo to Los Angeles
Backtrack on the Way to South America
This award priced out at 40,000 miles in economy, the normal roundtrip price from the US to Northern South America:
- New York to Lima via Los Angeles
- Lima to New York
Failed Attempt: Honolulu to Tokyo via San Francisco
My failed attempts were greeted with the standard united.com error message.
Sometimes a united.com error message doesn’t mean failure. It just means you have to call United at 800-UNITED-1 to have an agent successfully book the award.
But in this case, I couldn’t talk agents into booking the award by phone.
General Conclusions
What We Don’t Know
From the information I’ve gathered, I cannot definitively answer the question: “Does this mean I can route from X to Y via Z?”
It is impossible for me to fully generalize my findings into hard-and-fast rules, which fits perfectly with my contention that I Don’t Know United’s Award Rules because they don’t really exist. Whatever the computer says goes, and it is inconsistent.
If you want to test how these findings apply to a trip you want to take, try to book it at united.com. If you get an error, call United. If you don’t want to do that, hire my Award Booking Service.
What We Do Know
What I can unequivocally say, though, is that unless you do a multi-city search (explained here) on united.com, you will never see a search result like New York to London via Los Angeles. These backtracks showed up only because I specified I wanted a stopover in the out-of-the-way city.
We also know that United doesn’t have a problem with stopovers in tiny airports. All the examples in this post were Los Angeles and New York, but I have booked United awards with stopovers in Palm Springs, California and Charlottesville, Virginia too.
Have you booked a backtracking award before? Do they have any uses for your future travel plans?
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does Air NZ ever open biz availability on the LAX-LHR route?
I’ve never seen them open business class on any flight operated by a plane with lie flat business class. So unfortunately no.
For what it’s worth, I flew Air NZ lie flat business class on their AKL-NRT flight. And if I recall correctly, availability was actually pretty decent.
I think the phase “through north america” is a good qualifier there.
There is plenty of business availability visa Japan to NZ. Also saw some HKG earlier today.
Is it their newest herring bone configuration? If so, that’s quite a tip!
It looks like it Sometimes is and sometimes is not.
Looking at May-June 2014 there is Business Availability NRT-ALK nearly every day.
The United Site says its a 772 which Seat Guru shows has the new Business Premier.
Only the 767s have the non Premier non Herringbone I believe.
That being said, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANZ90/history seems to show this route being rife with Equipment Swaps.
OK, thanks for the info.
A somewhat-legitimate purpose is to fly to the west coast to get a longer flight to Europe, it is helpful in sleeping.
You can also backtrack internationally.
The example I found involved HKG-RAR. I will leave the rest as an exercise for the reader.
Definitely a ton of backtracking opportunities internationally that reduce the mileage needed for certain awards.
When I figured that one out, I was amazed, and also I tried to go make it even more of backtrack (HKG-LAX-RAR does not work for example 😉
Only thing is, lotta those domestic flights (here’s lookin’ at you, ZFV), are pretty cheap if you need to fly them. I’d rather use my stopover internationally, for instance, hitting up the pyramids enroute to Bangkok, better value there at least financially if not experience-wise (‘course it depends on where you want to go). Just sayin’…..
This summer I flew
SEA-ADB (destination)
IST-SEA (stop)
and have SEA-IAD booked for thanksgiving. All on business. Because of the number of connections, I had to call United to ticket it. There was some pushback, but a HUCA solved the problem. Thanks Scott for the awesome posts last year that explained how to do it!
Awesome use of backtracking and a free oneway!
I tried to backtrack from HNL to LAX to NRT. I think it doesn’t work because HNL and LAX are in different zones.
that backtrack works on AA for example… i did HNL-JFK-HND with a stop-over at JFK for 2 months.
I was hoping to backtrack to HNL from a SFO-based flight to Europe, but sounds like that doesn’t work. Now debating whether to take advantage of the British Airways transfer bonus to get cheap Hawaii tickets or just pay for the flight. Like you I am from Hawaii, so always figuring out how to visit family every year. Thanks for the post!
Scott, I just tried to book an award using backtracking (it wasn’t international) and am having some issues. It was going to have two open jaws and a stopover. WAS-LAX-SFO-WAS (stopover)-DEN. I checked using one ways on united.com and all flights had award availability. When it was time to put it all together, the last flight didn’t have any availability. When I checked a one way, the whole month had it. When I plugged it in later, there was almost nothing. I know that free one ways are technically only for international flights, but I did one in business WAS-MIA for only 10k miles, which makes me think there is a little wiggle room maybe depending on the route. Any tips?
Always call United when you get an error message. Multi-city searching never shows you all the options that one way searching does.
I don’t even waste my time anymore trying to book on the website. Look up the flights one by one and call it in.
But that’s $25.
Hi Scott.
Would this be bookable via usair star alliance partner award as well? Thanks.
Trial and error. You might have to call more than once, but I’d be shocked if you couldn’t book this with US Airways miles.
I flew one way SFO-FRA-NRT-BKK-MAA.
80K One way all in all first LH 747 LH A380 TG A380.