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This is the twelfth post in a monthlong series. Each post will take about two minutes to read and may include an action item that takes the reader another two minutes to complete. I am writing this for an audience of people who know nothing about frequent flier miles, and my goal is that by the end, you know enough to fly for free anywhere you want to go.
Credit cards are the gift that keeps on giving. A single card gives you so many opportunities to exploit: a huge sign up bonus, some category bonuses along the way, and other ancillary benefits. There’s one more major source of money or miles in your card though: credit card cancellation negotiations.
Credit card companies want you to keep their card. If you keep their card, you might spend on their card. If you spend on their card, they make money. So if you call up and mention that you’re considering cancelling their card, the banks will very often make you an offer to keep the card. Let’s go through the whole process.
All the cards in the frequent flier mile game have an annual fee. (Many cards waive the fee for the first year, but every card is going to charge you a fee twelve months in.) Before this annual fee comes up, I cancel the card. I focus my spending on clearing new bonuses, so I don’t need to keep old cards. With that in mind, here’s the life of a card in my employ.
1. Get the card.
2. Earn the bonus. Hit the minimum spend requirement in the time frame given.
3. Put the card in my sock drawer. When I’m not clearing the bonus, I don’t use the card usually. I’ve moved on to my next bonus.
4. Eight months after getting the card, with four months until the annual fee, I call the number on the back of the card.
5. I negotiate for the best possible retention bonus.
6. After meeting any retention bonus challenge, and eleven months after getting the card, I call up to cancel the card. I ask that the credit line be transferred to another card I have with that bank. I cut it up and throw it away.
Let me explain steps 4-6 more fully. Call up the number on the card. When you get a human on the phone, say politely, “I’m calling to cancel the card. I’m concerned about the annual fee.”
The representative may agree and allow you to cancel the card without offering you anything. In this case, I would hang up without cancelling the card. Maybe calling back in a week or a month will net a better result.
In most cases, though, the representative will offer you a deal to keep the card. The deal may take several forms. To keep my Delta SkyMiles card, I was offered 7,500 SkyMiles. To keep my Citi AA Amex, I was offered an $85 statement credit after five purchases of any size. To keep my Citi AA Visa, I was offered 3 miles per dollar spent for the next six months.
After the representative offers you a deal to keep the card, ask if there are any other offers. If they offered me a statement credit, I usually say, “Are there any miles offers?” And vice versa.
I then take a minute to consider which offer is best among my choices. Of course, to answer that, you need to have a value for the mile in question. I think the offers that give 3 miles per dollar on all spending for six months are usually the weakest offer. A one time cash or miles bonus is better because it lets me focus my spending where I’m getting way more than 3 miles per dollar: clearing new sign up bonuses.
I do all that seven months after getting my card. The reason I do it five months before the annual fee is due is that sometimes I don’t get a retention offer, so I want to be able to call back later to see if I can get one. Also sometimes it takes a month or two for the retention bonus to post. And I want the retention bonus to post before the annual fee is due because the final step is cancelling the card.
Yes, you got a retention bonus for not cancelling the card when you called at the seven month mark. But that doesn’t mean you can’t cancel the card later. In my experience, I’ve received the bonus, cancelled the card, avoided the annual fee, and not seen the bonus clawed back in any way. One thing to remember while cancelling the card is to ask to have the credit line moved to another card issued by the bank before you cancel.
Example: You have a the Citi AA Amex with a $6,000 credit line and the Citi Forward card with a $6,000 credit line, and you’re cancelling the AA Amex. Ask to have the $6,000 line moved to the forward card, giving you a $12,000 line there.
The reason you want to do this is that part of your credit score is determined by what percentage of your credit line you’re using. Decreasing your total credit line will increase the amount of your credit line you’re using thus lowering your credit score.
This post covered two important concepts. One is that very few cards are worth holding on to when the annual fee is due. And the other is that you can get a retention bonus if you tell the bank you want to cancel your card. Make sure to make the phone call saying you want to cancel every card you own at least once because the call usually nets you around $100 in cash or miles.
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Look forward to churning cards. Thanks
What’s your experience with getting retention bonuses on Chase cards? I thought I’d previously read that they don’t typically offer retention bonuses.
I haven’t gotten any retention bonuses with Chase. But I call up and try with every card.
Thanks for the detailed recap and information. I have a quick question about calling to cancel cards – I intend to cancel my Citi Amex and my Citi Visa. Should I make these calls separately or tell Citi I want to cancel both at the same time? Thanks in advance.
Two different calls for sure. Get those bonuses one at a time.
How many cards have you cancelled in one year? How does cancelling 10 cards a year affect your credit rating?
Six. It hasn’t negatively impacted my credit score. Even after being cancelled, the cards stay on your credit report and age for a while.
I am new reader and how does it this apply to frequently churnable credit cards like Barclays US airways.
Definitely follow the advice given in this post for that card. Call up with every one of your US Air Mastercards at the seven-month mark.
I will be planning to reapply to new US airways in 3-4 months can I keep the old one and still apply for new one . I was under the impression that I need to cancel the old one and then open a new one.
I’ve enjoyed reading your posts this month. One general question. If there are a limited number of banks with a limited number of cards only some of which are churnable, do you eventually run out of cards to apply for?
Maybe. But new offers are being added all the time. And the current offers may be pulled at any minute. So don’t worry about burning through the current offers. Exploit the offers while they last and hope for new ones in the future.
As an example, imagine there are only 10 good offers now and there will never be another good offer. You are no better or worse off if you run through them all as quickly as possible compared to spreading out how long you take to get them.
Now imagine there are 10 good offers now, but all will expire in a year to be replaced by 10 new good offers. You are much better off getting the 10 current offers cleared as soon as possible, so you don’t miss them.
Those are the two possible worlds we live in. In neither are you worse off speeding through bonuses. And in one you are better off speeding through than waiting.
Thanks for the nice reply. Pretty much the same conclusion I came up with. There must be a technical answer taking into account # of churnable cards (and churning interval), new offers, etc… Most of you credit card veterans don’t seem to be running out of bonuses to obtain.
Good write up on the retention bonus process. I like how you broke it down.
Thanks
Does Citi allow you to consolidate credit lines? I thought they don’t and would only allow you to transfer the credit line from one card to another one when applying for a new card. That would mean that you can’t transfer a card’s credit line into an existing card.
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Great post, Just to understand the cancellation piece, you say get the bank to move the Credit line to another card – does that mean you always have 2 cards at each company all the time ? or are you transferring to some type of debit card ?
Kind Regards
Mads
Thanks for the post!
I am curious if it makes sense to close the card right after clearing the sign up bonus? As I understand there is an 18-24 months holding period to get signup bonus for opening the same card again. So, the sooner you close the card the sooner you will be able to open it again and get new signup bonus. What do you think?
Hold 7-11 months, and not all banks have the same rules for churning. See the two posts below.
https://milevalu.wpengine.com/free-first-class-next-month-credit-card-cancellation-negotiations/
https://milevalu.wpengine.com/free-giveaway-and-nuggets-9-21-12/
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My question is if you have SW for instance and have accumulated miles with the card- can you cancel before the annual fee and still utilize the mile Same for Delta- I have accumulate about 130000 miles with Delta if I cancel the card- how do I continue earning miles with them?
For most situations, the expiration date trick works, but I just opened two cards in October, a bank of hawaii and a bank of america hawaiian airlines card. One has an expiration of 9/15 and the other 11/15.
Great post
I’m a newbie doing research to start this process, and it all sounds great, but there’s one thing that’s not clear to me. When you cancel a card, do you have to have used the rewards, or do they follow you to the next credit card you have with the same bank? Does this mean that you have to have at least two cards with each bank at all times?
What about programs where the miles expire, e.g., United? Or does that only apply to spending miles, not the bonuses?
Miles that are in United are unaffected by closing a credit card. They expire after 18 months of no activity in your United account, and any activity resets the clock including a dine in the dining program.
Which cards do you keep and pay the annual fee?
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went through all the comments and your answers, but did not get the answer to this question? we need to have two cards from the same bank to shift the credit line to other, right? so what about the other card, which is still active, so that means we pay the annual fee on that one and then later apply for a new award card from the same bank, repeat the process next year and one (better) of two cards again?
Sorry I am a newbie and just trying to get around this frequent flying thing 🙂 Thanks.