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An interesting post on Reddit caught my eye called “The Economics of Churning: who pays for the rewards?”
(“Churning” is the milesphere’s term for opening cards, getting their bonuses, closing the cards, and repeating.)
While I don’t agree with the post’s conclusions about who pays for rewards, it does present a lot of interesting information for anyone who wants to understand the business of credit cards a little bit better.
Poster Buddy5000 writes:
I do have an undergraduate and graduate degree in business. And, I do work closely with the credit card processing division of a large retail company. I’m very familiar with what these credit card fees look like from the merchant’s perspective, and how the merchant passes that cost onto consumers.
I’ll use my IHG Rewards Mastercard as an example.
How do the fees work?
The flow of the transactions is:
Customer (me) -> Merchant (my grocery store) -> Processor (companies you’ve never heard of) -> Card Association (Mastercard) -> Issuing Bank (Chase)
I buy some bananas at a local grocery store with my IHG Rewards card. In essence, the grocery store is paying two separate fees: a processing fee and an interchange fee.
The processing fee is negotiable; this is how the processor makes their money. Large merchants have bargaining power and put pressure on their processors to lower the fee per transaction. This fee compensates the processor for building out the technical capabilities to “process” the transaction. These fees are usually a small part of the overall fee
The interchange fee is not negotiable. These fees make up the bulk of the overall fee paid by the merchant. MasterCard sets this fee, based on the merchant’s industry and customer’s card type. The fee is usually remitted by the merchant to the processor, and the processor passes the whole thing onto MasterCard. Then, MasterCard passes (most of) this fee to Chase (the issuing bank).
Simple enough, right? The store accepting credit cards has to pay a payment processor, with whom the average consumer never comes in contact, and a card association (also called a payment network), which is a household name like Visa, MasterCard, American Express, or Discover. Part of that fee paid to the payment network is passed on to the issuing bank, household names like Chase, Citi, Barclaycard, Bank of America, American Express, and Discover. (Yes, American Express and Discover are both issuing banks and payment networks, and the others are not.)
So what are the fees paid to the payment networks? Buddy5000 links to MasterCard’s fees (click “download interchange rates,” and I dug up Visa’s fees pretty easily. The fees are usually a percentage plus a fixed fee and vary by the type of business accepting the card, whether the card is swiped or not (think: online store), what type of card you use (rewards cards cost merchants more to swipe), and how much revenue the store generates (more revenue equals lower percentage owed to payment processor in some industries.)
Buddy5000 gives this example:
Going with my local grocery store example example, these are MasterCard’s 2016-2017 interchange fees (by card category) for the “Base Supermarket” industry.
- Core Value: 1.48% + $0.10 per transaction
- Enhanced Value: 1.48% + $0.10 per transaction
- World: 1.58% + $0.10 per transaction
- World High Value: 1.90% + $0.10 per transaction
- World Elite:1.90% + $0.10 per transaction
My IHG Rewards Mastercard would probably fall in the “World,” “World High Value,” or “World Elite” categories. [Scott: It’s a World, not World Elite card, so it must fall in one of the first two he mentioned.] A plain, no rewards Bank Americard would probably fall in the “Core Value” or “Enhanced Value” categories. So, my grocery store keeps more money when someone pays with a Bank Americard than when I pay with my IHG Rewards Card. They keep even more money when someone uses debit. They keep even MORE money when someone uses debit, and actually runs it through as debit (enters a PIN #). And even MORE money when someone pays cash.
In fact, Mastercard’s debit fee for this category is 1.05% + $0.15 per transaction. Certain PIN debit transactions have a fee as low as 0.05% + $0.21 [Scott: By law].
These swipe fees must are substantial in aggregate. I’ve heard plenty of people say that credit card companies make all their money from people carrying balances and paying exorbitant interest. Certainly that must be profitable for banks, but that doesn’t explain why American Express charge cards (on which you cannot carry a balance) are so profitable that American Express entices people to open them by offering 50,000, 100,000, and even larger bonuses occasionally. Instead of interest charges, the explanation is that swipe fees (and the other benefits to Amex of having a new customer) are worth a lot even without the possibility of customers paying interest.
The Reddit post goes on to argue that “Cash, Debit, and low-reward Credit customers” pay for the rewards of people who collect big sign up bonuses. I disagree. I think profitable, long-term customers who open rewards cards offset unprofitable, short-term customers for the banks. But that’s not what caught my eye about the post in the first place–I liked the clear discussion of how swipe fees work and what they are with links to the actual fees–so I won’t get off track in this direction, and instead I’ll thank Buddy5000 for his contribution to my knowledge.
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Who pays? Not the banksters. The people paying are bottom of the income scale – the one’s with no savings, lousy jobs and little education. You know, Drumpf voters….
Middle class carried the vote, but don’t let the facts get in the way…
Churning was in the title, but not really dealt with thereafter. I do like enjoying a system that allows getting benefits. There must be some line somewhere where churning becomes cheating the system? AMEX sure seems to think so. Years later I got a card again, but the enrollment offer was silently kept from me.
Amex, Chase, and Citi have all significantly restricted churning in the last few years. That’s definitely smart for their bottom line.
Now that our hobby is truly drawing the attention of the press (most notably a recent New York Times article), I wonder how long it will last. It’s no longer a niche group of people, though I imagine there will be plenty of financially unsavvy folks who run up large balances and pay huge interest and/or late fees, so maybe that’ll keep this game going a bit longer. But for those of us who churn, those 1-2% fees will never offset the costs of the miles simply because we move onto one credit card after exhausting the benefits of the previous card. Chase was the only company smart enough to catch onto this early.
Fascinating article. I had never considered how cash and check-writing customers subsidize those of us with points/miles credit cards. Bottom line, pay for everything with points or miles credit cards.
This really isn’t my takeaway. There are costs to accepting checks (bounced checks, the hassle of deposits) and cash (trips to the bank, employee theft, robbery, making incorrect change) that are monetary and non-monetary to the point that I’m not sure all businesses prefer them to card payments.
My ex girlfriend worked at Chase CC for a summer in between b school and she told me that 40% of Hyatt card members (the team she worked with) would run a balance within the first 6 months of having the card. Just to give some perspective.
Wow!
Mser, we will make America great again, …despite your lousy attitude and lack of patriotism!
Business models fascinate me — it’s so odd that advertising drives content, or that insurance drives career choices, or that gambling and maximization behaviors drive travel. In the classically liberal sense, I think it’s healthy to observe these weird conclusions and reflect on our choice to participate in and perpetuate these systems. These systems work this way because we want them to work that way. I whole-heartdely disagree with Scott (who is exceptional at rationalizing, rather than confronting the reality). We certainly do reap rewards derived from high interest rates on the less disciplined users of credit. If you need any proof, simply look at interest rates on rewards cards versus non-rewards cards. It’s not explained away simply by different swipe fees. As it turns out, I am OK with this reality, but I think it’s convenient and hypocritical to deny any sort of profit-sharing responsibility. If people are NOT ok with being a lightweight banker and truly want to be an SJW, they should use credit unions. Not exactly a message you’d expect to see from Scott, who needs those credit card clicks. That’s not a knock on him, just an observation of business models driving another thing: morality.
You misquoted my argument, and your argument doesn’t offer an explanation for bonuses on charge cards. I’ll quote it here:
“I’ve heard plenty of people say that credit card companies make all their money from people carrying balances and paying exorbitant interest. Certainly that must be profitable for banks, but that doesn’t explain why American Express charge cards (on which you cannot carry a balance) are so profitable that American Express entices people to open them by offering 50,000, 100,000, and even larger bonuses occasionally. Instead of interest charges, the explanation is that swipe fees (and the other benefits to Amex of having a new customer) are worth a lot even without the possibility of customers paying interest.”
Theo,
Who are you to question anyone’s patriotism? That’s pure McCarthyism.