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Avianca LifeMiles has re-classified Guam as part of the Philippines. This ends the ability to book an award from the continental United States to Japan, Hawaii, or Guam for 12,500 LifeMiles in economy or 25,000 miles in business class that lasted as long as Guam was mis-classified as part of the continental United States.
Now an award from the United States to Guam costs 32,500 miles each way in economy and 65,000 miles in business. (Hilariously Guam is still mis-categorized; this time as part of the Philippines.)
I am partially responsible for this deal ending because I wrote about the deal openly in “$200 Flight to Japan with Hidden City Ticketing on LifeMiles Awards.” That post caused a backlash from the “hoard secrets” camp who predicted the award’s immediate demise after my post.
I countered that I doubted Avianca noticed or cared enough to swiftly fix a mistake that had persisted for months. I bet another blogger dinner that Guam would still be mis-categorized as part of the continental United States for at least a month after I wrote the post in December 2013. The mistake lasted another seven months.
Avianca has several mistakes in its categorization of airports and allowed routings. It’s a big deal because you can often buy Avianca LifeMiles for 1.5 cents each or for zero cash by redeeming Arrival miles for LifeMiles.
- What does the end of this deal mean for sharing LifeMiles mistakes?
- What other mistakes on the Avianca chart were not corrected?
What I Learned
The end of the Guam-in-United States mistake on the LifeMiles chart is sad, but also interesting.
I think it shows that while the airlines do pay attention to blogs and forums, they are very slow to react unless a deal is costing them a lot of money. I’m sure in total the Guam-in-United States mistake was costing Avianca peanuts if anything at all since selling miles that are redeemed for United economy is probably profitable and Avianca LifeMiles got a lot of free press.
Certain airlines and hotels also seem to be more on the ball when it comes to paying attention to chatter or running their programs well. American Airlines comes to mind as a program that would probably make a change quickly if we were exploiting a big loophole in its program. Avianca never seemed so on the ball.
That’s why I thought that even openly sharing the mistake would allow it to persist–with many more people now able to take advantage–for months afterwards. In this case, I was proven right, but in advance there was no way to know if I was right or the hoard-secrets commentors were right that the deal would disappear immediately after my post.
Going forward, though, it looks like Avianca is paying more attention. There are more mistakes in Avianca’s award computer programming. I believe openly sharing them will quickly end them now that Avianca has shown it is paying attention and can make simple fixes to its computer programming.
For the time being, I’ll just hint at LifeMiles mistakes that haven’t already been openly shared.
Hints: one that I saw is still working, you can still fly to Eastern Europe for the price of a trip to Northern Wisconsin because of a mis-categorization. You can still route west and east between North and South Asia if you want to enjoy a non-Asian airline.
One that I already openly shared: you can still fly from Europe to Seoul to Khabarovsk, Russia for the price of an intra-Europe award as detailed at length in my original post on LifeMiles mistakes.
Did you ever book the Guam-in-United-States mistake? What are the lessons from this episode for sharing secrets?
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it’s funny that a big blog like milevalue writes about it and the deal lasts for 7+ months. then comes this small time blog that writes about it, gets featured on boardingarea for a couple hours, and the deal gets killed 6 days later. coincidence?
http://www.therewardboss.com/2014/07/09/winner-of-150-united-cert-avianca-update-gum-now-32-5k-coach-65k-biz/
I made use of the GUM mistake on 2 different trips without any issues and did write about it after others did. I think it died thanks to a certain blogger complaining to the DOT rather than because of the blog posts.
Elaborate even if you don’t want to link to it please.
Scott – Others have elaborated a bit more, but you can also see discussions with the certain individual here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/external-miles-points-resources/1528194-discussion-about-bloggers-sharing-av-lm-tricks-split-off-lm-f-j-trick-7.html Also check out this post: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/22822947-post112.html
As Daniel said, it had nothing to do with a blog post and everything to do with a selfish ignoramus (who happens to also be a blogger) whining to the DoT that he was denied boarding on one of his “creative tickets.” Cut off his nose to spite his (and everyone else’s) face. Idiot.
The metric canuck moaned and moaned to the DOT
This is hardly “news”, GUM was changed days ago
How an idiot u have to be to admitt being responsible for killing deal and to show another glitches in the same article?
I’m sure the airlines get your email every day @ 4am like I do . As you stated and I agree if they think it’s worth it they change the rules or location to help them . What they should do is read your posts on which Airlines websites are garbage (don’t want to name names but DELTA) and improve them so a Cave Dweller can them . Also read your posts to see which Airlines award programs people like to SPEND $$$ to get awards .Once again sorry DELTA . DELTA should put on their award page your old post on how to book an award trip it made it a lot easier to use.
CHEERS
PLease don’t post any more tricks, we don’t want the last few deals to be killed
I know another mistake at Life Miles…
They allow you to book first class award ticket at TURKISH, when it doesnt exist…
For exemple, if you search GRU –> EZE, it will show you up to 8 seats in first class (when is doens’t exist!!!)
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Scott, this is very helpul. Also, you said, “you can still fly to Eastern Europe for the price of a trip to Northern Wisconsin because of a mis-categorization” . I can’t find your past stories on this – but I’d like to so I can book it! Can you direct me to the story to just tell me what the mistake is? I promise not to blog about it or complain to DOT. Thanks.
I want to know too. I have spent hours pouring over Flyertalk boards and still do not understand.
I’ve searched 40mins but no clue. Also want to know:)
A seemingly unrelated question: why is HTA-MUC on 9/16 priced at 55000 miles on LM’s website?
I’m pretty sure LifeMiles likes a lot of buzz about the program. These loyalty plans are lucrative to the airlines, sometimes worth a lot more than their airplanes are. So I’m confident the company was seeing its glitches as bringing in more business in the form of new customers and sales of miles to existing customers, than they were costing the company.
But there is really no way to prove what kills a “deal”. The secrets hoarders think it’s blog publicity. I think it may just as likely be the secrets hoarders themselves who “go big.” Or maybe the company simply re-evaluates its own policies and makes changes that would have been made anyway.
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