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United massively devalued its award chart two weeks ago, especially for premium cabin international awards on partner airlines, which have been the bulk of my United awards.
I caught some flak because it didn’t bother me too much. In fact, I wrote Eight Silver Linings of the United Devaluation, and even more irritating to people who thought I was going too easy on United: Three Reasons Why the United Devaluation is the Best Thing For Us.
On that post, I got this representative comment:
Scott, I guess you mistakenly used your April Fools story today but in case you didn’t. I have 10 questions for you:
A. Are you related to the CEO or any of the Board member of United?
B. Do you have substance abuse problem?
C. Does someone at United have pictures of you in an uncompromising position?
D. Is someone at United holding one of your family members hostage?
E. Do you really think more Economy Award Seats are now going to become available?
F. Do you believe in Santa Claus?
G. Have you ever been hypnotized?
I. Do you have a learning disability?
J. Are you a member of the Tea party?
Maybe you should look up the work “devalue”
I’ll save you the trouble. “reduce the worth”Is your next story going to be titled “How The Devaluation Of The Dollar Helps The American Economy?
I strongly suggest you find another subject to write a blog on because clearly airline reward travel
I respect everyone’s opinion on the United devaluation, and I hope mine is clear: I don’t like it when miles are made less valuable, but I expect it to happen, and I don’t begrudge the devaluer as long as fair notice is given.
United gave fair notice. We have until January 31, 2014 to book awards at the current price through early 2015.
But United has secretly–with no notice before or after the fact–made insidious changes to its MileagePlus program that constitute cheating its frequent flyers.
What two changes has United snuck in that reduce the value of its miles?
You Now Have Only Four Segments on a One Way Award
Previously there was no limit on how many segments you could book on a one way United award. Or if there was a limit, it was eight or more, which is a limit you couldn’t possibly hit on a normal one way award.
I booked myself a seven-segment one way award where I hopped around Europe for a week and had a once-in-a-lifetime speed-travel experience for only 12,500 United miles.
Now the limit is four segments for all one way awards. To my knowledge, the Wandering Aramean first reported this limit last month.
I can confirm that this change has happened from a personal booking I made last week. During the Lufthansa First Class released-space glitch, I decided to book Seoul to Frankfurt to Munich to Toronto to Los Angeles to Honolulu as a five-segment one way award that got me into Asiana First Class, Lufthansa First Class, the First Class Terminal in Frankfurt, and got me home to Hawaii.
In the past, this would have been no problem, but the agent got a little nervous at ticketing time and put me on hold. She came back to tell me that there was a maximum of three connections (four segments) on one way awards now. Apparently an August 1, 2013 memo changed the rule with no notice to customers before or after the change.
This is a brand-new, posted-nowhere rule that will affect a lot of United frequent flyers trying to book “regular” non-tricky awards. Try to book from a secondary American airport to a secondary airport in Thailand, China, Europe, or anywhere else, and you’ll see that four is often the minimum number of segments needed, and five segments are often needed because of the scarcity of award space.
Changing the rules like this without letting us know is cheating United frequent flyers and is completely dishonorable behavior.
I’ll reiterate my position: It’s OK for airlines to change their award programs. It’s OK for those changes to be negative for flyers. It’s not OK to give no notice of the changes. It’s not OK not to post your rules anywhere.
(Sure United posts some award rules here and here, but they certainly don’t mention this rule or a host of other routing rules, which is why I wrote I Don’t Know United’s Award Rules.)
If you’re going to change the rules of the game, let us at least cash out our old miles under the old rules during an interim window. Anything less is cheating your customers.
The End of Free Oneways?
File this one under “developing.”
I got a tweet a few weeks ago that a reader couldn’t book a free oneway on a United award because a United agent told him that no free stopovers were allowed in the US. (Free oneways require a stopover at your home airport.)
I fired up united.com and had no problem booking awards with a stopover in the US. For instance, see the world’s simplest free oneway that includes a one week stopover in Newark, USA:
I knew that the computer program, which allows stopovers in the US, hadn’t changed, but maybe there was another secret memo.
I called up and tried to book the same award by phone. When I got to the “Then I’ll stop in Newark for a week and continue to Chicago on February 26” part, the agent cut me off: “No stopovers are allowed in the US.”
“Hmm.. Can we try it? I’ve often booked stopovers in the US without a problem.” I asked.
She agreed, the computer allowed the stopover in the US, and I could have booked the award. But only because I persisted. It does appear that United has instructed agents not to allow stopovers in the US. For whatever reason, this hasn’t gotten through as clearly as the three-connection rule has.
If this “rule” of no stopovers in the US is enforced, it will mean the end of free oneways for Americans and the end of stopping in New York on your way to Europe or Los Angeles on your way to Asia.
It would be another unannounced devaluation. It would be changing the rules in the middle of the game without telling the other team. It would be cheating United frequent flyers.
Recap
United cheated its customers by not announcing changes to award routing rules. I know that’s a harsh choice of words from someone who’s generally a United fan, but I believe it. Hopefully United–and all airlines, and all companies–will announce rule changes to their customers with enough anticipation that customers can mitigate negative changes.
I’ll continue to fly United, collect its miles through credit cards, and recommend that others do the same. But every unfriendly change will lose some customers, some credibility, and hopefully some money for United.
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Scott, did you see the email I sent you and Tahsir? Does that have anything to do with this?
I don’t know. It might take me a day or three to get through my email.
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Scott,
I was catching on to good use of miles/points and had collected many USAirways miles, about 50, ooo United miles and about 200, 000 ultimate rewards points. I hoped to book 2 business class flights to Prague, returning from Athens, with a stopover in Zurich or Geneva in fall 2014!
Had it all planned with Star Alliance! Now, everything is changing and devaluing! I assume I can’t use USAirways miles because I want a stopover and a openjaw . . . Is that correct? (and if I don’t use those miles, they go to oneworld and probably devalue! Right?) so I need to transfer UR points to United and book BEFORE they devalue! Right?
But the long flight is looking like USAirways planes, so If I book them now from Star Alliance, what happens when I fly and they are Oneworlr? especially if changes occur or I need to change something!!?
Is my plan good or can you help direct me another way . . . New Orleans to Barcelona-USAIRWAY, Barcelona to Zurich-Swiss . . . STOPOVER! Then on to Prague DESTINATION-who do I fly? then I want to on my own go Prague to Santorini-recommendations, then to Athens, creating my OPENJAW on Agean and back to New Orleans on ?????? I am having trouble seeing Agean and Lufthansa award space, etc. HELP! I want to book before another devaluation, but then that’s far out from our departure in late September!
US Airways awards get a stopover OR an open jaw. If you book US Airways flights with United miles now that could make changing complicated in the future. No easy solution.
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Remember folks if you read the card it states BONUS posts and they can change the rules anytime just like Obama because it’s their Game . I just booked another United Flt on Thursday to EU ($127) for next Sept.. I’m sure most people here could do a better job but I’m learning . Everyone likes to give the bearer of bad news a hard time and I remember four ago I didn’t travel much now I have caves in the EU and UK . If you can’t figure it out or want to save time(me) use Award Service a small price to pay .
Thanks Scott
Proud EU ,UK and US Cave Dweller (maybe I should expand)
On the segment limit, I can understand that the crazy itineraries I liked to book can’t be helpful to United’s bottom line. Last March I booked a trip to Europe and back with two one-ways, seven segments each way. Though I do see why they want to stop that, the key issue here is the apparent unavailability of routings between certain airport combinations within the Star Alliance within the new segment limit. That would seem to go beyond a bad unanounced devaluation and into the realm of false advertising. If they say they have “X” destinations available in their Star Alliance system, but a given MileagePlus member can only book X/2 of them because of the segment limit, they are simply misrepresenting the scope of their program in their advertisements as they try to compete for customers.
I agree too with the concern that award availability often creates the need for an extra segment even if there would be a way theoretically to get from A to B in four segments.
I would also lament the loss of the free oneways as an option, though I personally tend to prefer to take my stopover in the destination region for the most part.
I couldn’t think of a single city pair quickly that you can’t get between in four segments. There probably are a bunch though.
Hi Scott,
I got an error message on this itinerary: TPA-Moscow(SVO)-BKK, BOM-TPA. Any suggestions? thanks.
I don’t think you are allowed open-jaws on one way tickets.
Tons of errors on United multi-city searches. Call in to ticket.
r u kiding? 🙂
Try to call to ticket it. If phone agent cannot make it, my guess is due to BKK & BOM are in different regions and the openjaw is too ‘wide’ to ticket.
i just try to hold the award seats from the account that doesn’t have enough miles, instead of “reserve” , it shows ‘Fare Lock “. i guess they found Glitch and fixed it?
Add a partner segment.
Is United Global First not a good value for miles? Or does it not compare well against the other possible uses of miles?
Here’s a review: https://milevalu.wpengine.com/antipodean-summer-united-global-first-from-los-angeles-to-sydney/
It’s just not very First Class-y. More Business Class-y.
Scott, does this have any effect on the number of segments each way for round-trip awards? Thanks!
I don’t know if that’s capped at eight segments now.
The funniest part is that this comment:
Is your next story going to be titled “How The Devaluation Of The Dollar Helps The American Economy?
Is not necessarily bad for the economy. In fact a weak dollar allows us to price our products, and thus our exports, competitively to the rest of the world. It may be bad for traveling, but a weak US Dollar helps the American economy manufacture goods for the rest of the world.
So Scott, the premise of your United article wasn’t wrong per se.
Scott-you perform a valuable service, thus I have to comment on “representative” comment in the most representative way I know. What an @!#%&*.
Scott, I was the one who posted that comment and I apologize for using such offending language. I just misinterpreted your post as a very pro-United story. It was very unlike me to post something like that but since United is my main frequent flyer program and I was extremely upset about the recent devaluations, I made those comments in the heat of the moment and once again I apologize.
I appreciate all of the information you provide to frequent flyers like myself. Changing rule without notice has started to become an industry trend and it’s horrendous. My most recent experience was with Carlson Hotels this summer when they changed a transfer valuation of points to miles without notice.
Unfortunately, I came to grips a long time ago that each frequent flyer/traveler program is a dictatorship and they can make and change the rules as they please and there’s basically nothing we can do about it. Occasionally if enough people voice their displeasure, and informed people like yourself publicly expose them, they might reverse a decision they recently made but for the most part they know they’re always in the drivers seat.
I do get a real kick out of some of the people who say writers/bloggers like yourself who offer suggestions/solutions to changes like these are cheating the system. Until they institute a rule which says what you are doing is against their rules, it’s perfectly legal. I don’t have one bit of sympathy for these multi-billion companies at all. These programs are supposed to reward customers who are loyal to their company, not punish or penalize them.
How can you be a part of a system, program or game when the other person can change the rules whenever they want without telling you?
I totally understand the frustration. I didn’t take the comment personally. Thanks for reading!
Just found this on the United Website. Foreboding.
A stopover is permitted on roundtrip award travel only. One stopover is permitted, unless otherwise noted. Additional mileage may be required for Saver Awards within the continental U.S., Alaska and Canada. For travel booked on or after February 1, 2014, a stopover is permitted only on certain roundtrip itineraries. Additional mileage may be required.
Yes, I don’t look forward to learning what that means.
My experience this past week may – or more likely may not – help others figure out what rules United uses. My wife, two kids and I are going to Australia next summer in Economy. We booked EWR-NRT-ICN-PNH-BKK-SYD for our outbound (with 21 to 23.75 hours everywhere but Seoul) and SYD-YVR-YYZ-BOS for the return. Based on what I’d been reading lately about the limits on number of segments, I thought I could still get a free one-way after Boston. A call to United’s Star Alliance desk (and some persistence) did the trick. I was able to add two segments to get my wife and daughter to Florida and two segments (including a through flight) to get my son and me to the West Coast. But when I tried to add a BOS-EWR segment at the front end (with just a 90-minute connection in EWR), I was told that I could not – even if I were willing to reduce the number of segments by cancelling the free one-ways.
I got 98% of what I wanted with this itinerary, and I am very happy about that – but I have no idea why I could and couldn’t book various segments.
One additional note – one of the agents told me that after ticketing my reservation, the 24-hour cancellation option did not apply because I had used a “hold” by booking the flights in an account with insufficient mileage. I don’t know if that is a real policy. For what it’s worth, within 24 hours after ticketing, I WAS able to get an agent to try to book the bos-ewr segment. She did not rely on any alleged “use a hold, forfeit the 24 hour right to cancel” policy in explaining her inability to add that segment.
Thanks for the info. That agent’s 24-hr cancellation “rule” interpretation is nonsense. You can definitely cancel within 24 hours or get free changes, whether or not you’ve used a hold.
does this mean no stopovers on openjaw return tkts like us air?
The idiot who complained is perfect. Devaluing the dollar IS good for the economy! It makes exporting stuff (selling things) cheaper and grows the economy. No one loses if there us inflation as long as you’re not an idiot only sitting in cash. All the other Econ people probably lol’ed when they saw that naive comment of his. Perfect.
I know it’s hard to do but lets all be nice to each other and learn how to get some great deals and out smart the airlines .I think AA made $1.5 billion on the award thing last year and most people never learn how to do this .Like TPG said” everyone thinks the awards deal is a joke ” the joke is on the people who are quick to say no way can you do that ..
Cave Dweller