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The Three Best Credit Cards for Free Luxury Hotel Nights

For me, first class flights would be out of reach without miles. I can’t spend $10,000 for a first class flight on an airline like Emirates.

Luckily I don’t need to because I have plenty of miles, and I could fly economy class in a pinch.

Fancy hotels are similar. I can’t pay $1,000 a night for a hotel like the Park Hyatt Sydney.

And luckily I don’t ever need to stay in fancy hotels. When I travel, all I need is a roof and a pillow. But for those special occasions when I want to indulge in absolute luxury, I can by opening a single credit card.

What are the three best credit cards for luxury hotel experiences?

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Video of a Credit Card Application Reconsideration Call

A few weeks ago, Rookie Alli applied for her very first cards. Her cards were all instantly approved except the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card.

She really wanted the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card because it comes with two free weekend nights at almost any Hilton worldwide. With the recent major devaluation to the Hilton award chart, Hilton points are worth way less, but these two free nights are still two free nights.

Application Link: Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card

When her application for the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card was not immediately approved, she did what I always suggest. She called Citi’s reconsideration line immediately. These are the reconsideration line numbers I use.

American Express (866) 314-0237
Barclay’s (866) 408-4064
Chase (PERSONAL) (888) 245-0625
Chase (BUSINESS) (800) 453-9719
Citi (800) 695-5171
US Bank (800) 947-1444

I’ve made several reconsideration calls, and this was Rookie Alli’s third. In our experience, reconsideration calls are painless and a bit of a misnomer. Most of our reconsideration calls happen not when the application is denied, simply when it’s listed as pending.

And most of the time, the agent only asks questions we’ve already answered on the application.

The one thing I always do to prepare for a reconsideration call is to rehearse an answer to the question of why I want the card I’m calling about. The best answers reference the co-branded partner (ie Hilton on the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card), some benefit of card membership besides the sign up bonus, or both.

For this card, Rookie Alli’s answer was going to be: “I want the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card because I travel a lot and am loyal to Hilton, so I want to have a card that has a high earning potential of Hilton points.”

It’s not difficult to formulate a good answer.

But as with many “reconsideration” calls, there were no tough questions and no reconsideration–just a short hold and an approval. Take a look.

Hopefully this video clears up any apprehension you might have about calling the reconsideration lines. Not all calls are this painless, but most are.

Recap

If your credit card application is not immediately approved:

  1. Come up with a reason you want the card that does not reference the sign up bonus and does reference the card’s co-branded hotel or airline.
  2. Call the bank’s reconsideration line.
  3. Tell the agent you wanted to see if the bank needed any more information to process your application.
  4. Answer the agent’s questions truthfully.
  5. Generally, be approved.

Was the Citi Hilton Reserve Just Majorly Devalued?

An example of the number one question I’ve gotten in the last few weeks:

Scott,

Should I use the free night certificates from my Hilton Reserve card by 3/28? After Hilton’s major devaluation (don’t get me started…), there will be 10 categories after 3/28 and the free nights are good at category 1-7 according to the terms.

Sam

Sam is asking about the two free weekend nights you earn by spending $2,500 within four months on the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card credit card. What makes the nights so valuable is that they are valid at almost every Hilton in the world including insanely fancy and expensive properties like the Conrad Koh Samui, which is going for $633+ per night in June.

18,920 Baht = $633

The Conrad Koh Samui is a category 7 hotel currently, the top category, which costs 50,000 points a night. So two free nights there is currently like getting 100,000 HHonors points worth of value from one credit card.

Starting March 28, the Conrad Koh Samui will be a category 10 hotel, the new top category, according to the new hotel categories list. Category 10 hotels will cost 70,000 to 95,000 points per night based on the season.

So Hilton points are seeing a major devaluation, especially at the top end. Two nights at the best Hiltons in the world at peak times was 100,000 points; now it will be 190,000 points.

But is the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card seeing the same type of devaluation? That’s what Sam wants to know. The card’s terms and conditions say that the free nights are good for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday night stays at category 1-7 properties.

If these terms remained unchanged, it would be a huge devaluation. No longer would the free nights be good at the top tier properties like the $633+ Conrad Koh Samui. Instead they would only be good up to the new tier 7, which surely includes nice hotels, but not the kind that make you drool.

According to Mommy Points, the free nights from the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card will still be good at all the same hotels they are good at now.

Translation: the award chart devaluation is not a Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card devaluation. You will now be able to use the free nights at the new Categories 1-10.

I’m working to independently verify this, but it is fantastic news for all of us–perhaps most of all Rookie Alli, who just got the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card. I’m planning to get the card soon, and I want to make sure I can get two nights at a hotel that I could never afford (or even if I could, I wouldn’t stay at because I’d feel guilty about the price.)

Two nights of the base room.

In recent weeks the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card has shot up the list of best Citi card offers. Unfortunately this isn’t because the offer has improved–just because all the other Citi offers have gotten worse.

Namely the two-browser trick that allowed us to get 100k American Airlines miles for one credit pull is dead (or very near.) And the other Citi cards that offer Hilton points are worth less as those points are worth less under the new award chart.

Here are the bullet points on the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card.

Application Link: Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card

• Earn 2 weekend night certificates good at select hotels and resorts within the Hilton HHonors portfolio after $2,500 in eligible purchases within 4 months of account opening*
• Earn 10 HHonors Bonus Points per $1 spent on hotel stays within the Hilton HHonors portfolio*
• Earn 5 HHonors Bonus Points per $1 spent on airline and car rental purchases*
• Earn 3 HHonors Bonus Points per $1 spent on all other eligible purchases*
• Enjoy the benefits of HHonors Gold status as long as you are a cardmember*
• No foreign transaction fees on purchases*
• Travel with ease and enjoy global acceptance with your Citi chip credit card
• Earn an anniversary bonus of 1 weekend night certificate at select hotels and resorts within the Hilton HHonors portfolio each cardmembership year with qualifying purchases*

The good news is that you don’t have to burn your Hilton award nights in the next month for maximum value. The bad news is that you do have to burn your Hilton points in the next month for maximum value.

Rookie Alli’s First Cards: Execution

Previously: Rookie Alli’s First Cards: Picking the Cards

Execution

My first cards couldn’t have been easier! While I did hit a couple of snags, none were very serious, and I am treating them as learning experiences. I applied for all five card in one day and was able to fit in the applications and any needed calls to the credit card companies around the other things I had to do that day: a kickball game and some flip cup.

I started with the Frontier card at 10:11 AM and was instantly approved online.

I even got to pick which Frontier mascot I wanted on my card. I went with Foxy Brown.

Excited after this positive start, I moved on to the United MileagePlus Explorer card. Again, instant approval! I’d been at this for 20 minutes and was two-for-two on these applications.

…Except that I had clicked the Submit button without adding a second cardholder to the account. That click was a 5,000 mile rookie mistake.

Chase lets you add an authorized user to the card and earn 5,000 extra miles upon first purchase.

On the application, I just skipped over the section because it wasn’t very noticeable.

I might be able to salvage those points, though. I’ll send a secure message to Chase and see if they will let me add a user for 5,000 miles. I’ll report back.

Disappointed about the United blunder, I moved on to the Discover it™. This is where I encountered my second snag of the day. I filled out my personal information, checked the Terms and Conditions box, and was redirected back to the original application page. Not letting this computer glitch deter me from my mission, I again filled out my info, checked the box, and… nothing.

A quick phone call to Discover informed me that they were having system wide technical issues, their staff was slammed, and could I please call back later? I called again that evening at 8:00 PM, concerned with the fact that I may have submitted two applications or maybe none at all. The agent told me that I had indeed submitted two, and that the first was instantly approved but the second was pending further review. I asked her to shut down the second application, which she did. Success!

The fourth card I applied for was the Mercedes-Benz Platinum card. Once again, I was instantly approved and received an email telling me I’d have my card in 2-3 days.

I applied on Sunday, and received it on Tuesday. Considering it was a holiday weekend, a 48 hour turnaround was quite impressive! I’m already working on the Global Entry application.

The final application was for the Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card card. This was the only card that I was not immediately approved for.

That was fine. I learned from applying for the Citi American Airlines cards in November about reconsideration calls since I was not immediately approved for the Citi American Airlines American Express. In my experience, a reconsideration call is no big deal, but I like to prep what I am going to say before picking up the phone.

I know it’s important to convey enthusiasm for the card’s partner (Hilton) and all the card’s benefits except the sign up bonus, so that the bank will think you are a profitable customer.

At a minimum, I was expecting some questions. But after the rep confirmed my identity, he put me on hold, came back, and said I had been approved for the card. Here is a video of the call. Most of the five minute call was spent goofing off on hold.

Recap

I applied, and was approved, for five rewards cards.

My haul? After a combined minimum spend of $5,250, I will have 35,000 Frontier miles, 35,000 United miles, 50,000 Membership Rewards, free Global Entry, $400 in airline-fee credits or gift cards, two free weekend nights at almost any Hilton across the globe, free lounge access at hundreds of airports, access to huge cashback opportunities from Discover, free breakfast and internet at Hiltons, and a credit card with a fox on it. ;)

  • Frontier Airlines World MasterCard for access to its incredible award chart
  • Chase United MileagePlus Explorer Visa for United miles with a low minimum spend
  • Discover it™ for access to its 5% cash back rotating categories and amazing cash back mall
  • Mercedes-Benz American Express Platinum for the points, lounge access, airline gift cards, and Global Entry despite the huge $475 annual fee
  • Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card for two free nights at a Hilton I could normally only dream of

Rookie Alli’s First Cards: Picking the Cards

Introducing Rookie Alli: Rookie Alli will be MileValue’s resident expert-rookie. She’ll write posts about getting started with miles and points from a beginner’s perspective. From the first cards and the first award booking to first class (hopefully), folks of all levels can learn from her triumphs and rookie mistakes.

Rookie Alli, scaring dogs since the ’80s

I just signed up for five cards and got 110,000 miles and points, two free hotel nights, $500 worth of statement credits, access to the best cash back mall, and a number of other perks.

Planning

Being new to the miles game, I currently only have two credit cards: the Citi AAdvantage Visa and American Express cards, which I applied for using the now-dead, two-browser trick in November. I met my minimum spends and collected my 105,000 American miles, and now I’m hooked.

Should I use the AA miles to go back to Hawaii?

Scott always says to wait 91 days between credit card applications, then apply for any cards you want the same day to maximize your approvals and rewards. After my 91 days passed, I was eager to see what my my next cards could be.

There were a couple of personal factors I kept in mind when deciding which cards I was going to include in my applications.

1. I wanted to keep my minimum spends relatively low, since I will be out of the country during part of the minimum spending period in countries where it is tough to use credit cards.

2. I have not hopped on the Bluebird/Vanilla train just yet, but I am comfortable using Amazon Payments to help meet minimum spends.

This goes along with my biggest piece of advice to fellow rookies: only dip your toes into the miles world to the extent you are comfortable. For instance, at first I was only comfortable getting two credit cards at a time. When I saw I could handle that, I decided I could handle more cards this time.

When I heard about Amazon Payments, I tested it out one month by sending $990 to a friend. I was comfortable with the results, so I continued using the service each month.

I signed up for a Bluebird card, but I have not activated it yet because I am still not comfortable with the idea.

3. I only wanted to apply for cards with an annual fee if I felt the card’s perks justified that fee.

I got into this game for free travel, so I don’t want to pay annual fees. But I am willing to pay an annual fee if I know I am getting way more in return than the fee costs.

4. I’m not ready for any business cards. I do probably have some small money-making activities that would qualify as businesses, but I’m not comfortable applying for business cards yet.

I know that most people can get business cards easily from reading How to be Approved for a Business Card, and that I am missing out on some of the best sign up bonuses, but business cards aren’t for me yet.

Using MileValue’s Best Offers and Best Practices, I ultimately decided to apply for five cards:

1.  Frontier Airlines World MasterCard

  • 25,000 bonus miles after first purchase
  • 10,000 bonus miles after spending $750 in the first 90 days for a total of 35,000 bonus miles
  • 10,000 mile one way awards within the USA
  • 15,000 mile one way awards to Mexico, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, and Jamaica
  • 5,000 mile discount on companion award tickets
  • 2x miles on Frontier purchases
  • $59 annual fee

This card was a no-brainer for me: miles after the first purchase, very low minimum spend to unlock the rest of the miles, and I’ve had really good experiences flying Frontier to and from Denver in college.

2.  Chase United MileagePlus Explorer Visa

  • 30,000 United miles after $1,000 in spending in the first three months
  • 5,000 extra United miles when you add another cardholder to the account
  • One free checked bag
  • Two United Club Passes
  • no annual fee the first year, then $95 thereafter

I wanted to earn some United miles because I know how valuable they can be, especially to Europe.

I know the Chase Sapphire Preferred offers a superior bonus of 40,000 Ultimate Rewards after spending $3,000 in three months, but I wanted to keep my minimum spend low.

3.  Discover it™

  • 5% cash back on the first $1,500 spent on categories that rotate each quarter
  • Opportunity to use the Discover online portal for 5-20% cash back at many retailers
  • 1% cash back on all other purchases
  • no annual fee

This might seem like a weird card to get because it has no sign up bonus. I got it because the card was an opportunity for me to earn a lot of cash back. This quarter’s 5% back category is restaurants and movies. I know I can maximize that category. Next quarter is home improvement stores, where I also spend a lot. Yes, really ;)

The other big thing is this card will allow me to access the ShopDiscover portal, which is one of the best portals out there. The portal offers 5-20% cash back at a lot of places I shop and routinely offers better deals than miles-earning portals. For instance, no one comes close to offering 5% cash back at Apple.

courtesy evreward.com

4.  Mercedes-Benz American Express Platinum

  • 50,000 Membership Rewards after spending $1,000 in three months
  • $100 credit for Global Entry signup
  • $200 calendar-year airline-fee credit
  • Free airport lounge access (American, US Airways, Delta, Priority Pass)
  • $475 annual fee, not waived in the first year

This was the only card I was hesitant to apply for. When I first saw that $475 annual fee (!) I immediately disregarded it as an option to include in my applications. I thought no perks could justify that fee, especially since the fee would appear on my first statement–before I could enjoy anything I was paying for.

However, when I thought a little deeper about it, I realized that this card actually offers a lot of good bonuses. Bill covered how those airline-fee credits can be used to buy gift cards which can then be used to purchase flights, the Global Entry voucher will save me hours of waiting-in-customs time this year (my sanity must be worth $475, right?), and I know I can easily find a use for 50,000 Membership Awards.

Since the airline-fee credits are a calendar year bonus, I can get 2 x $200 gift cards plus $100 for Global Entry, meaning $500 in statement credits.

I guess I can give it a year-long trial run. I’ll get $400 worth of flights, $100 worth of Global Entry, free lounge access, and nearly a $1,000 worth of points for my $475 fee.

5. Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card

• Earn 2 weekend night certificates good at select hotels and resorts within the Hilton HHonors portfolio after $2,500 in eligible purchases within 4 months of account opening*
• Earn 10 HHonors Bonus Points per $1 spent on hotel stays within the Hilton HHonors portfolio*
• Earn 5 HHonors Bonus Points per $1 spent on airline and car rental purchases*
• Earn 3 HHonors Bonus Points per $1 spent on all other eligible purchases*
• Enjoy the benefits of HHonors Gold status as long as you are a cardmember*
• No foreign transaction fees on purchases*
• Travel with ease and enjoy global acceptance with your Citi chip credit card
• Earn an anniversary bonus of 1 weekend night certificate at select hotels and resorts within the Hilton HHonors portfolio each cardmembership year with qualifying purchases*

This one was tough because it had a large minimum spend and an annual fee. I went with it, though because I want two free nights at a super fancy hotel that I could otherwise never afford.

I’m channeling my inner Hepburn by picturing myself drinking champagne and eating macaroons in Paris

Recap

I chose five cards to apply for:

  • Frontier Airlines World MasterCard for access to its incredible award chart
  • Chase United MileagePlus Explorer Visa for United miles with a low minimum spend
  • Discover it™ for access to its 5% cash back rotating categories and amazing cash back mall
  • Mercedes-Benz American Express Platinum for the points, lounge access, airline gift cards, and Global Entry despite the huge $475 annual fee
  • Citi® Hilton HHonors™  Reserve Card for two free nights at a Hilton I could normally only dream of

Concluded in Rookie Alli’s First Cards: Execution

 

How to Earn 105,000 Miles in the Next Few Weeks

Update at 1/28/13 at 3:00 PM PT: From the comments on this postand the latest pages of this FlyerTalk thread, I think this deal is just about dead. Most people are reporting only one approval. My advice changes slightly: still apply for both credit cards as part of your next app-o-rama. If you only get approved for one card, I still think it’s the best one personal offered by Citi. I will be on the hunt for new ways to get two Citi AA cards at one.

Yesterday I talked about why newbies should dip their toes in the credit card pool–the rewards are enough to travel for pennies in first class. In this post, I’ll give you an overly detailed explanation of how I would start today if I were new.

This post is as bare bones as I can make it and might leave you with a lot of questions. I hope it spurs a full interest in collecting and redeeming miles. I hope you’ll become a regular reader of MileValue. But if you just want to spend ten minutes now on the action items in this post and ten minutes a month maintaining your miles balance, that’s an option too.

The best current credit card offer is from Citi. It has two identical American Airlines cards, the only difference being that one has its payments processed by Visa and one by American Express. That’s mostly an irrelevant detail, but it means you can get both. Each has a 50,000 mile bonus after spending $2,500 on the card in the first four months, so that’s 100,000 bonus miles total after $5,000 total in spending. I’ll explain how to easily meet that spending requirement after explaining how to get the cards in three simple steps.

  1. Open two browsers, with one application in each browser.
  2. Complete the applications in unison.
  3. Call Citi.

1. Open two browsers, with one application in each browser.

Open up two web browsers. On my MacBook, Safari was preinstalled, and I downloaded Firefox, so I open those two. If you have a PC, open Internet Explorer and another one. (Download Firefox if you only have your preinstalled browser on the computer.)

Direct each browser to this post. In one, click the Visa link below. In the other, click the American Express link.

Citi American Airlines Visa

Citi American Airlines American Express

(Note: nowhere on those pages will you see in writing the offer I am describing. Hundreds or thousands of people have used those links and reported getting that offer. My friend signed up through them at 11 PM PT on January 23rd and got the offer. But your mileage may vary.)

2. Complete the applications in unison.

Fill out the first application and click Verify Application. Fill out the second application and click Verify Application.

(If you don’t already have an American Airlines account and number, sign up for one in 60 seconds for free here.)

Now you are on the verification screen for each. If the information is all correct, click Submit Application on one then Submit Application on the other.

I recommend this method of applying for both at once because I (and many others) have found that if you submit the two applications the same day, you can get both cards. But if you submit one today and one tomorrow, the second application will be denied.

I recommend using two browsers because sometimes the cookies in one browser prevent submission of both applications.

Submitting two or more applications on the same day to Citi results in only one credit inquiry. That’s good because credit inquiries temporarily lower your credit score 2-5 points as I mentioned yesterday.

After submitting the application, you will be told whether you were approved instantly. It’s not big deal one way or the other. If you are approved for both, skip Step 3–you’re done.

If you get any other message about the application being received, pending, or being denied, note the reference number and call the telephone number listed on the page. If no telephone number is listed, call 800-695-5171. If no reference number is listed, the agent will bring up your application another way.

3. Call Citi.

Each call will only be about one card. Call Citi at 800-695-5171 and say: “I just submitted an application for the American Airlines Visa [or American Express, whichever you are calling about.] I am calling to see if you need more information to process the application.”

The agent will generally ask you questions that were already on the application. Answer them politely.

The only tough question you might get is why you want two cards at once. Don’t mention the sign up bonus. Instead mention another benefit of two cards–maybe the ability to track two categories of spending to help with your budgeting.

After a few minutes, most people are approved over the phone. If you are not, you don’t have to take no for an answer. Hang up and call a new agent. You may want to highlight any reasons why you are a good credit risk on reconsideration calls like your relationship with Citi or your history of on-time payments.

Once you are approved, ask the agent to confirm the sign up bonus details. The cards should offer 50,000 bonus miles after $2,500 in spending in four months.

Once you have finished one conversation, hang up and call back about the second card if necessary.

If all goes according to plan, you’ll be approved for both cards. They will be mailed to you, and you’ll get them within a week or so. Now, you just have to spend $5,000 total in four months. Here’s how:

1. Start with the American Express card. Use it for all purchases until you hit $2,500. You can pay almost everything with a credit card. You should try to avoid using cash for purchases. You can also prepay your wireless bill and other bills. If you have a two-year contract, and you can afford to prepay, this is an easy way to meet a spending requirement.

If the American Express isn’t accepted somewhere–Visas are more commonly accepted–use the Visa.

2. Once you meet the $2,500 spending requirement on the American Express, which you can track online, start using the Visa until you hit its $2,500 threshold.

3. If you don’t spend $5,000 in four months, there is an easy way to meet the requirement.

Amazon Payments is a service of amazon.com very similar to PayPal. The huge benefit is that you can send $1,000 per calendar month with a credit card without the sender or receiver paying a fee. If you made a $1,000 payment or loan each calendar month to someone you trusted to repay the loan, you would have $4,000 of the $5,000 requirements met easily.

Just do not send the $1,000 to someone and have them send it back. Amazon will shut your account down. The person should use the balance in their Amazon Payments account or withdraw the money to a bank account.

Once you meet a spending requirement, the miles will post to your American Airlines account on the next credit card statement.

Voila.

By doing this, you’ll have 105,000 American Airlines miles–the 100k bonuses plus 5k in spending at 1 miles per dollar.

Is there an annual fee for these cards?

Yes, but it is waived for the first 12 months of holding the card. To avoid ever paying an annual fee, cancel the card before its anniversary. Do not cancel the cards immediately after the bonuses post though. Wait until you’ve held them at least nine months. Set an alert on your phone’s calendar now to remind you to cancel the cards.

Do the miles expire?

American Airlines miles expire if there is no activity in your account for 18 months. Any miles earned or debited restarts that clock, so as long as you are using the cards, you have 18 more months to use the miles.

If you cancel the card, do you lose the miles?

No, Citi puts miles into your American Airlines account, which are yours to keep even if you cancel the cards.

Other questions? Comment or email me.

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Will Citi Have the Next Hot Transferable Points?

According to this thread on FlyerTalk, Citi has announced that ThankYou Points earned from  its own ThankYou Point credit cards can now be transferred to Hilton HHonors points.

There some huge pros to this announcement but also some really troubling concerns that need further clarification. Read on for my analysis.

What is the transfer ratio of ThankYouPoints to Hilton HHonors points?

According to the Hilton website, ThankYou Points (TYP) can be transferred to Hilton HHonors at a ratio of 1:1.5. The minimum number of TYP that can be transferred is 1,000. They also must be transferred in increments of 1,000.

Is this transfer ratio better or worse than other possible HHonors transfer partners?

The 1:1.5 ratio falls in line with the American Express Membership Rewards transfer ratio. Take note that until January 31, American Express is actually offering a better 1:2 transfer ratio. For more details on that, check out my post Hilton HHonors-33% Bonus on Membership Rewards Transfers.

Starwood Preferred Guest points transfer to HHonors at a 1:2.5 ratio, but it takes some legwork. In general, this is a really poor way to spend your SPG points. However, if you are desperate for HHonors points and close to topping off an aspirational award, it might make sense.

To pull this off, you will need to transfer your SPG points to either Virgin Atlantic or Hawaiian Airlines.

Starwood Points transfer to Virgin Atlantic or Hawaiian Airlines at a ratio of 1:1.25 when you transfer in increments of 20,000. For example, converting 20k SPG points will net you 25k Virgin Atlantic Flying Club miles. Virgin Atlantic miles then transfer to HHonors at a ratio of 1:2. For a step by step, check out Scott’s post Transferring Virgin Atlantic Miles to Hilton HHonors Points and Transferring Hawaiian Miles to Hilton.

In a basic example, transfer 20k SPG points to Virgin Atlantic to net 25k Flying Club miles. 25k Flying Club miles then convert to 50k HHonors points.

If the ratio isn’t that great, why is this announcement a big deal?

I’m excited about the news from Citi merely on the hope they add more transfer partners. Having just one transfer partner isn’t very exciting. It won’t tempt me to apply for the cards outright. However, if Citi can add more potential partners, especially airlines, then the value of a ThankYou Point could be mentioned in the same breath as American Express Membership Rewards and Chase Ultimate Rewards Points, two flexible point programs with many great airline and hotel transfer options.

As you know, we have a great Award Booking Service here at MileValue and love tackling all types of difficult and complex awards. When clients contact us, having flexible points like Chase or American Express gives us options. It opens up routes that wouldn’t be otherwise possible. It makes bookings much easier.

If Citi becomes the third flexible bank point currency, then more potential award redemptions are accessible to frequent flyers.

Wasn’t Citi rumored to have added some airline transfer partners last year?

Actually, yes. In March of 2012, FlyerTalk was abuzz about Citi potentially adding British Airways and Singapore Air. The supposed partnership was to take place in April but never materialized. The addition of Hilton to Citi’s portfolio hopefully rekindles some of those rumors. To read about that big letdown, check out the FlyerTalk thread here.

Do all Citi cards that earn ThankYou Points qualify for transfers?

No. According to Citi’s own terms and conditions listed below, you must have a Citi Premier or Prestige card to be eligible for transfers. Other cards that earn TYP such as the Preferred, Forward, and Standard cards, do not qualify.

Anything else worry you about the terms and conditions?

Yes! There is some real concern about T&C #3 on the list above. It appears that TYP earned through sign up bonuses are not eligible for transfers to Hilton. I can’t overstate how much of a dealbreaker this is. But I also am not sure that it’s true.

The vast majority of my Membership Rewards balance was earned through the sign up bonus. I’m sure Scott can say the same about his Ink Plus and Ink Bold cards. We simply don’t generate enough spend to accumulate the points for premium cabin redemptions. Sign up bonuses are the clear-cut best method in quickly attaining premium cabin awards.

According to this thread on FlyerTalk, the Citi Premier card was offering a 50,000 TYP sign up bonus as recently as last year. The card now as a standard 25k sign up bonus.

The possible sign up bonus exclusion from Citi TYP transfers is a massive negative for the program. The data points are still pretty scarce on FlyerTalk, so feel free to comment if the TYP earned through your sign up bonuses are eligible for transfer to Hilton.

If I can’t transfer ThankYou Points, what are they good for?

TYP can be redeemed for a variety of gift cards at a rate of $0.01/point. Citi Premier and Prestige cardholders can also redeem them for airfare at a rate of $0.0133/point. Using TYP for airline tickets gives you much more value and allows you to earn redeemable and elite qualifying miles on the trips. Citi is essentially purchasing the ticket for you.

Recap

Citi has added Hilton HHonors as a transfer partner to a select few of its ThankYou Point earning cards. The transfer ratio is not a good deal, in my opinion.

The potential for Citi to add additional transfer partners is extremely exciting. They were rumored to have an agreement with British Airways and Singapore Air, but that never materialized last year. If they were to add more hotel and airline partners, Citi could give American Express and Chase a run for their money when it comes to “Best Flexible Bank Point.”

I’m still very concerned about the language in the terms and conditions excluding sign up bonus points from transfers. If that turns out to be true, the strategic value of TYP diminishes greatly.

Get on American’s New 777-300ER in Business Class

Update: There are two flights on 1/31. The 8:35 PM flight number 963 is on the 777-300ER, though I’m not sure who “Steve” is.

American Airlines business class used to stink. While United, Delta, and US Airways all had fully flat beds in business class on at least some of their flights, all AA flights had angled lie flat seats at best in business class.

That is about to change when American’s new 777-300ER comes into service with beautiful flat beds in business class, all with aisle access.

The plane also features a cool entry way that looks more like a Las Vegas club than the airplanes I’m used to walking onto.

How can you get on?

The 777-300ER’s first route will be from Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) to Sao Paulo (GRU) six days a week in February.

The southbound AA 963 will leave Dallas at 8:35 PM and land in Sao Paulo at 9:30 AM the next day.

The northbound AA 962 will leave Sao Paulo at 12:55 AM and land in DFW at 7:20 AM the same day.

The 777-300ER will not be on the route long. According to the press release, the plane will only fly DFW-GRU from January 31 to February 28 before switching to a European route. The way to tell if a 777-300ER is on a certain route is to look at the aircraft listed. The 777-300ER’s code is 77W.

If the Aircraft is listed as 777, that is not one of the new 777-300ERs. Instead it’s an older 777-200 with angled lie flat seats.

While the press release says that the 777-300ER will be on the route starting on January 31, the schedule lists that day’s aircraft as 777, and the first 77W date is February 1. I’m not sure which to believe, but I would not book January 31 expecting to be on the new plane unless the listed aircraft is changed to 77W for that date.

Availability

Here are the calendars for one seat in economy, business, and first in each direction for the month the planes will operate between Dallas and Sao Paulo.

Economy Dallas –> Sao Paulo

6/29 Days Availability in Economy

Business Dallas –> Sao Paulo

Zero Availability in Business

First Dallas –> Sao Paulo

?/29 Days Available in First. See above uncertainty about whether 1/31 flight will be flown by 777-300ER

Economy Sao Paulo –> Dallas

16/29 Days Available in Economy

Business Sao Paulo –> Dallas

1/29 Days Available in Business

First Sao Paulo –> Dallas

2/29 Days Available in First

What the Calendars Say

There is better availability in economy than in the other classes, with only one day with any business class space in either direction. There’s better availability returning to the States than heading to Brazil.

The Play

What’s special about American’s 777-300ERs? They are the first American Airlines planes with fully flat business class beds. The first class looks about the same as their other Flagship First experiences, and economy will be the same on this plane as on other planes. That means I am mainly interested in getting on this plane in business class. I certainly wouldn’t book these flights in economy, since you can get to Brazil for 30k US Airways miles roundtrip.

Flagship First on AA’s 777-300ER

I see one intriguing premium cabin redemption that gets you in all lie flat beds. If you book the outbound on January 31 and the return February 5, you will certainly be returning in a flat bed business class product for 50k miles. The outbound will also be in a flat bed Flagship First cabin, though AA has released conflicting info on whether January 31 will be a 777-300ER or a 777-200.

Economy/business/first cost 30k/50k/62.5k each way from the US and Canada to Brazil. That means one way in business and one way in first is 112,500 miles plus tax. Adding domestic first class to/from your home airport to Dallas will cost zero extra miles and $5 more in taxes.

If you want a free stopover in Dallas in either or both directions, you can book it as I outlined in How to Book Free Stopovers Online: American Airlines. If you live in Dallas, you can add two free oneways to the roundtrip award above as outlined in my YouTube video on the subject.

The 777-300ERs Next Routes

The fancy business class will be serving London from New York-JFK and Dallas after the Sao Paulo route. To search for that space, the concept is the same. Check for an aircraft listed as 77W.

I will look to have a post about these routes in the next few days.

How to Get American Airlines Miles

The best current offer for American Airlines credit cards is to get two at the same time for 100k total miles. You can apply for the Citi American Airlines Visa and Citi American Airlines American Express within minutes with different browsers. In my experience, my brothers’ experience, my girlfriend’s experience, and the experience of hundreds of FlyerTalkers, you can get approved for both.

Application Link: Citi American Airlines Visa

Application Link: Citi American Airlines American Express

The offer on both the cards linked is the same. Spend $2,500 within 4 months and receive 50k miles and two Admirals Club passes. So that’s $5,000 total spending in 4 months for 100k total bonus AA miles and four Admirals Club passes–an incredible haul.

There’s one hiccup. The offer page doesn’t mention that deal, and the offer page may be expired. But if you can pull up the page, the deal is probably still on–certainly the deal has worked for hundreds before you. But your mileage may vary.

Here’s the FlyerTalk thread bible on Citi AA offers, including information on the two-browser trick, new offers as they appear, and recent data points about whether offers are still working.

For even more AA miles, check out the Starwood Preferred Guest American Express card that comes with 25k Starpoints after $5,000 in spending in the first 6 months. Starpoints can be transferred 1:1 to AA miles with a 5,000 mile bonus for every 20k points transferred. Or you might get even more value (3+ cents) from Starwood Cash & Points stays.

Application Link: Starwood Preferred Guest American Express

Recap

American Airlines joins the 21st century with fully flat beds in business class on one plane, the 777-300ER. The plane debuts Dallas to Sao Paulo in February, and getting a premium ticket with miles will be tough, but possible.

Up to 10k Free American Airlines Miles Each Year

Earlier this year, Citi introduced a unique benefit to its American Airlines credit cards. (Yes, cards plural; serious mileage earners get two at a time. See my Best Current Credit Card Offers.) Cardholders would get a 10% rebate on the miles used on AA awards up to a maximum of 10k AA miles rebated per calendar year.

In this post, I’ll explain how exactly the 10% rebate works and how to value it.

Unfortunately for me, the benefit was added after I used 62,500 AA miles to book Melbourne, Australia to LAX on a Qantas A380 in business class with a free oneway in AA first class to Tampa. That means that for 2012, I will not be able to max out this benefit by redeeming 100k+ miles on AA.

My only other redemption for 2012 was made August 8, when I redeemed 62,500 miles for a trip to Buenos Aires in First Class next February. LAX-DFW-MIA are early morning flights to get me in place to enjoy a nine-hour daytime first class experience down to EZE on this bird:

Meet Me in 3J

The 10% rebate process is automatic. There are no forms to fill out, no one to contact, and nothing to do. Just sit back and wait for the points to roll into your AA account.

For me, the process took exactly six weeks. On September 19, 6,250 miles posted to my AA account. The listed date of the miles being earned is the date I made the reservation–though they actually posted six weeks later.

Thepointsguy reported his miles posting “a few days [after]” he booked his award, so you certainly might get your miles faster than I did. The terms and conditions say you’ll get them in six to eight weeks.

How to value this perk

I value AA miles at 1.77 cents each. That means my rebate of 6,250 miles was like a $111 rebate–almost as valuable as the annoying visa I’ll have to get upon landing at EZE.

And if I had been able to max out the 2012 benefit by getting a 10k rebate, I would be getting a rebate worth $177, so this is a very valuable perk.

The rebate is so valuable that it could potentially tip an SPG-transfer decision. Imagine you have a ton of SPG points and a Citi AA card, but you don’t have any AA or US Airways miles. You want to take a roundtrip first class trip to Argentina.

Ordinarily it would cost 125k AA or US miles to fly from the US to Argentina in first class. That would mean you would need to transfer 100k SPG points at the rate of 20k SPG to 25k miles rate. In the absence of this Citi AA card benefit, you would just choose the program that had the availability you wanted given your preferred dates and airline preference.

But because of the 10% rebate, your options are different. If this would be your only AA redemption for the year, you would be rebated a full 10k AA miles if you went the AA route. Now it’s either 125k US miles or 115k AA miles, a noticeable difference.

Other Considerations

If I had multiple trips redeemed in a calendar year totaling 250k AA miles, I would still only earn the maximum 10k rebate. In that case, I would average out the 10k rebate across all 250k miles I spent and see that I got a 4% rebate (10/250). For each trip in this instance, I would consider the rebate 4% off the miles price.

Terms and Conditions

You do not need to use your Citi AA card to pay for the taxes and fees on your award to get the rebate. That is not in the T & C, and I did not use my Citi AA card for my award that earned a 10% rebate.

Many of us have two or more Citi AA cards. Despite that, I haven’t seen reports of anyone getting more than one rebate per award or more than 10k AA miles total per year.

Full T & C:

For benefit to apply, your Citi® / AAdvantage® account must be open and active at the time of redemption. The American Airlines AAdvantage® bonus miles you earn through this benefit will be based on 10% of the total AAdvantage® miles you redeem each month during the calendar year. The maximum number of AAdvantage® bonus miles you can earn annually from this benefit is 10,000 AAdvantage® bonus miles per calendar year, regardless of how many AAdvantage® miles you redeem in that calendar year. This benefit only applies to AAdvantage® miles redeemed from the primary cardmember’s AAdvantage® account. Discover all the ways to redeem AAdvantage® miles at www.aa.com/redeem. Please allow 6-8 weeks after your redemption for the American Airlines AAdvantage® bonus miles to post to the primary cardmember’s AAdvantage® account.