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American Airlines’ miles options for flat beds to Europe are severely limited. Is it a fatal flaw for the program?
I really like American Airlines miles on the whole. You can redeem oneway awards with American Airlines miles, American releases good availability on its flights, you can fly to Europe for 20k miles year round, and AA partners with airlines I want to fly like Cathay and Qantas. I even tabbed American miles as the miles to collect if you want to fly to Europe for Summer 2013 in economy class.
Of course, all airline programs have their strengths and weaknesses. For a lot of people the fact that you can only take a stopover on awards at the North American International Gateway City is a huge problem, but not for me because I live(d) in Los Angeles.
List of North American International Gateway Cities
Other problems include an unavoidable $25 fee per ticket for awards booked by phone even though the majority of partners can only be booked by phone. (AA.com is adding partners at a nice clip including Finnair, airberlin, Qantas, and Hawaiian recently.) AA also has several routing rules whose only purpose seems to be to frustrate me. (See rules 3 and 5 in Five Cardinal Rules of American Airlines Awards.)
But there is one flaw potentially bigger than the rest that can gut the value of American Airlines miles for you: the flat bed options to Europe are very weak. The most common Award Booking request I get is for two passengers to fly roundtrip to Europe in business or first class. People find trip reports online or just walk wistfully past premium cabins on their way to the back of the plane, and they want in on the pleasures of a flying bed.
United BusinessFirst from London to Los Angeles (business)
British Airways Club World from Tampa to London (business)
Lufthansa First Class from Denver to Frankfurt
American Airlines miles are the worst miles among their peers–United, US Airways, Delta–to make the dream of a flat bed turn into you actually dreaming on a flat bed.
There are five options when trying to fly between the US and Europe with American miles.
- airberlin
- Iberia
- British Airways
- American’s own flights
- Finnair
Let’s run through each, so you can see the problem.
airberlin
Airberlin has no first class. Its business class–Relax Class–features recliner seats.
These are the types of seats you find in domestic first class in the US–though with quite a bit more leg room.
The exact specs show more than a foot more leg room than you would expect in domestic first class, but a seat only as wide as first class on a regional jet. Compare the width to economy class (17″) and domestic first (21″).
Basically spending 50k miles on an airberlin business seat seems like a steep premium over a 20k economy class seat.
Iberia
Iberia has no first class, and its business class features angled lie flat seats. Judge for yourself from this photo, but they don’t look too comfortable to me.
British Airways has a great First Class and Business Class seat, but you’ll pay up to $476 per direction per person.
Roundtrip out-of-pocket costs of over $1,000 wipe out almost all of the value of the miles in most cases. It’s a real shame because BA’s new First Class looks amazing, and its business class is an international-standard flat bed. I rationalized paying $330 out-of-pocket to hop on BA business from Tampa to London, but it can only make sense in special circumstances.
American’s own flights
The vast majority of American’s transatlantic flights are angled lie flats in business class and flat beds in first. From what I’ve read about Flagship First, it’s adequate and a bit better than many airlines’ business classes, but it’s not a true first class experience. (I’ll find out for myself on the way to Buenos Aires.)
American’s business class is rated very poorly in the reviews I read.
The bright spot is that American’s new 777-300ERs are rolling out in a few weeks with fully-flat business seats. The problem is that there are not many of these planes, and that for now the business class space on them is almost non-existent until about October 15 of this year. See Get on American’s New 777-300ER in Business Class.
Finnair
Finnair flies one route to the US, Helsinki <-> New York-JFK. It flies it with an A330 with fully flat beds. AA doesn’t charge any surcharges on the flight. It even has decent availability.

The problem is that I never see more than one seat on Finnair flights in business. Search for two people and literally nothing will come up.
Overall
There are no options yet for two people to fly in a flat bed to Europe for 50,000 miles each way without forking over massive surcharges. If you want a bed to Europe with American miles, you’ll have to make some sacrifices.
- You can fly American Airlines First Class for 62,500 miles per direction
- You, alone, can fly Finnair business class from New York
- You can pay British Airways surcharges
- You can fly an angled lie flat seat
Unless for some reason you can only accrue American miles though, I would skip all these compromises and instead use American miles for some of their great uses–LAN flat beds to South America, Qantas flat beds to Australia, or Cathay Pacific First.
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Recap
Don’t use your American miles to Europe unless you can handle the tradeoffs. Airberlin has recliner seats. Iberia has angled lie flats. BA has perfectly flat seats, but the surcharges will make a roundtrip cost 100k miles plus $1,000. AA is just starting to roll out flat seats on one aircraft, the 777-300ER. That will be the best bet in the future.
For now the best bets are AA Flagship First for 125k roundtrip or Finnair business if you’re flying alone.
In the end, this drawback of AA miles is not a fatal flaw. Every program has its uses, and that’s why you should diversify your miles. Collect United miles for flat beds to Europe. Collect Delta miles for its Asian partners. Collect Avios for short hops in the US and elsewhere. Collect US Airways miles for crazy routings. Collect Ultimate Rewards, Membership Rewards, and SPG points for their flexibility.
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Or you could get EXP status with AA – fly AA metal for the cost of the BA reward flights taxes – use a SWU to a flatbed on the new 777-300ER in J and earn a tonne of miles in the process
F on the 777 is pretty good – easily worth the extra 12.5k points each way in my opinion
Enjoy the trip to Buenos Aires!
Or you could get EXP status with AA – fly AA metal for the cost of the BA reward flights taxes – use a SWU to a flatbed on the new 777-300ER in J and earn a tonne of miles in the process
F on the 777 is pretty good – easily worth the extra 12.5k points each way in my opinion
Enjoy the trip to Buenos Aires!
Do you have experience helping to use AA SWU in conjunction with miles? I’m planning a trip for 4 ppl to Europe and 2 would be using cash+SWU and the other two on miles in economy and wondering if your service works for things like this.
Do you have experience helping to use AA SWU in conjunction with miles? I’m planning a trip for 4 ppl to Europe and 2 would be using cash+SWU and the other two on miles in economy and wondering if your service works for things like this.
i dont have a service, im just a miles “enthusiast” 😉 and do my own bookings etc
havent had to book for multiple ppl yet as im a solo traveller – if the original booker has status which he must to have the SWU’s etc shouldn’t be too much of an issue with award availability for 2 ppl in Y I wouldn’t have thought
i dont have a service, im just a miles “enthusiast” 😉 and do my own bookings etc
havent had to book for multiple ppl yet as im a solo traveller – if the original booker has status which he must to have the SWU’s etc shouldn’t be too much of an issue with award availability for 2 ppl in Y I wouldn’t have thought
While BA business class seats are flat bed, the BA pod arrangement often blocks your feet with the bed fully extended. Thus you have to bend your legs if you are taller than around 5’7″. Sort of defeats one bug benefit of having a flat bed.
While BA business class seats are flat bed, the BA pod arrangement often blocks your feet with the bed fully extended. Thus you have to bend your legs if you are taller than around 5’7″. Sort of defeats one bug benefit of having a flat bed.
With all due respect, a Motel 6 has flat beds. I’m not quite in tune with the obsession over having to have a lie flat bed on an airplane for about seven to nine hours on one night. To me that’s about the 67th priority in decision-making on awards I redeem. Different people have different goals. I guess that’s what makes the world interesting, and of course Scott writes from the perspective of his booking service here. But to call difficulties in getting flat bed seats to Europe a “fatal flaw” in a program gets my eyes rolling. I’ll happily take those 40k off-season redemptions available much of the year on AA, and take 2 1/2 trips to Europe rather than spending one night in a lie flat bed.
Couldn’t agree more.
Me too Dave. Quantity over quality.
I would generally agree, except I’d like to get some sleep and arrive rested and with little or no jetlag, so I can enjoy the destination without wasting any days sleeping. At least on united, it’s possible to get 3 one-ways on one award so your miles are stretched farther.
With all due respect, a Motel 6 has flat beds. I’m not quite in tune with the obsession over having to have a lie flat bed on an airplane for about seven to nine hours on one night. To me that’s about the 67th priority in decision-making on awards I redeem. Different people have different goals. I guess that’s what makes the world interesting, and of course Scott writes from the perspective of his booking service here. But to call difficulties in getting flat bed seats to Europe a “fatal flaw” in a program gets my eyes rolling. I’ll happily take those 40k off-season redemptions available much of the year on AA, and take 2 1/2 trips to Europe rather than spending one night in a lie flat bed.
Couldn’t agree more.
Me too Dave. Quantity over quality.
I would generally agree, except I’d like to get some sleep and arrive rested and with little or no jetlag, so I can enjoy the destination without wasting any days sleeping. At least on united, it’s possible to get 3 one-ways on one award so your miles are stretched farther.
a 9hr flight on a lie flat is 100x better than a coach seat. I find myself earning tons of miles so I dont have to face the dilemma of picking a coach seat. Flying Biz Class is always better on those long flights.
Everyone agrees that biz is better than coach, but that AA doesn’t off fully lie flat biz to Europe doesn’t mean it’s a fatal flaw in the program.
Agreed, DaveS.
Prepare for the time change, if you can; this mostly applies for leisure travel. The short-term effects of staying awake longer or going to sleep before normal schedule outweigh the benefits, giving you more time to explore. Even after flying 15 hours from LA to Sydney in Qantas’ A380 Economy, sleeping for about 8 hours, I was well-rested, well-hydrated and had no jet lag whatsoever.
Hi: Nice writeup, and have been enjoying your website, well researched. I’m trying to book a one-way on American from BNE to PTY, I know the award costs 40K miles (includes qantas and american flights), but can’t get it to ticket. I can get various parts of the itinerary to show (BNE-MIA), or (LAX-PTY), but not the whole itinerary to connect for ticketing. Have you ever seen that? I want to avoid the phone booking fee for two of us, $50. Thx
Hi: Nice writeup, and have been enjoying your website, well researched. I’m trying to book a one-way on American from BNE to PTY, I know the award costs 40K miles (includes qantas and american flights), but can’t get it to ticket. I can get various parts of the itinerary to show (BNE-MIA), or (LAX-PTY), but not the whole itinerary to connect for ticketing. Have you ever seen that? I want to avoid the phone booking fee for two of us, $50. Thx
I was just able to snag one seat in the new Business Class on AA 777-300ER JFK-LHR for middle of June. I’m watching the DFW-LHR one as well for the same day, hoping they’ll open up a seat or two so I can switch and avoid an extra connection in NYC for my trip. Maybe I was lucky? I don’t even have any status with AA.
I was just able to snag one seat in the new Business Class on AA 777-300ER JFK-LHR for middle of June. I’m watching the DFW-LHR one as well for the same day, hoping they’ll open up a seat or two so I can switch and avoid an extra connection in NYC for my trip. Maybe I was lucky? I don’t even have any status with AA.
Lots of opinions for a guy who has never flown any of these products LOL!
Lots of opinions for a guy who has never flown any of these products LOL!
In my experience looking for award flights on AA, the low miles trips are always with either ridiculous flight times and/or connection, layover times or they are mostly on BA which has the high surcharges. To give an example, I looked for a flight from PHX to DFW on AA using Avios so I wanted a direct flight. I figured there was no way there could be connections. There were many flights direct daily on the AA site but the only saver itineraries I found were connecting in LAX. So much for using Avios and getting a good redemption value. Maybe it’s because I’m based at PHX, but the AA saver awards to Europe almost always involve a 12+ layover AND flying on BA with the high surcharges.
In my experience looking for award flights on AA, the low miles trips are always with either ridiculous flight times and/or connection, layover times or they are mostly on BA which has the high surcharges. To give an example, I looked for a flight from PHX to DFW on AA using Avios so I wanted a direct flight. I figured there was no way there could be connections. There were many flights direct daily on the AA site but the only saver itineraries I found were connecting in LAX. So much for using Avios and getting a good redemption value. Maybe it’s because I’m based at PHX, but the AA saver awards to Europe almost always involve a 12+ layover AND flying on BA with the high surcharges.
http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/air-berlin-launches-fully-flat-business-class
http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/air-berlin-launches-fully-flat-business-class
I have booked 4 business class tickets jfk-fco on Iberia. I read they are fully flat bed at least on JFK-MAD which contradicts your statement. Are you sure Iberia doesn’t have fully flat seats?
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We flew Iberia bus in nov. from lax to mad. The seats were pretty flat to me. I have not flown any other lay flat product so can’t compare. Maybe there was a 5 degree angle. Plane was old but seats were comfortable n we slept well.
Not true about the AB recliner seat. Only two of their longhaul planes still have the recliner seats. Most are now angled lie flat. I took AB business from SFO to DUS last summer, and found the seats just fine, food pretty good, service just OK. I would do it again… Certainly not fatal.
You can’t get Iberian business class award tickets (for the most part) now anyway so don’t worry about what product they offer.
I think we can agree that at least until October it will be very difficult to find any lie-flat buisness awards using Aadvantage. With ExP your options open up dramatically but if you are flying that much then this site is not really for you. I am similar to Scott and have only paid for 4 flights since 1997 without using rewards from partner programs.
This is the most useless ff program around. They DO NOT fly in Europe. They rely on British Airways and you are forced to pay anywhere from $300-700 tax. Yes, even using FF miles. You might as well book through another airline and pay the difference. At least you’ll get better service and not be surrounded by the nasty customer service. This card is being cancelled tomorrow. It is a complete waste of your dollars. Use Capital One credit card miles program instead.
They do fly to Europe, and they have decent award space next summer to London in business class.